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You have already decided that almost every known leader in the world, WHO and so on are wrong with their "fault thinking". Also the hospital statistics of people died from Covid in the world is also "faulty thinking" and they are spreading propaganda..

Yes, many people might be fat "by choice" and don't exersice as they should, eat junkgood but you can't give them a 30 second injection to save them now can you? It's much harder and deeper problem. With Covid you can get 95% vaccinated for free in a FEW MINUTES. Don't ever compare that with obesity.

But if you could give the obese a 30 second injection to save them then it should be mandatory to do so? What should happen to the ones that don't comply?

What about the possibility of yet unknown longterm side effects of the covid shots? I guess you think that's a risk anyone must take, for the greater good? ^^
 

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You have already decided that almost every known leader in the world, WHO and so on are wrong with their "fault thinking". Also the hospital statistics of people died from Covid in the world is also "faulty thinking" and they are spreading propaganda..

Yes, many people might be fat "by choice" and don't exersice as they should, eat junkgood but you can't give them a 30 second injection to save them now can you? It's much harder and deeper problem. With Covid you can get 95% vaccinated for free in a FEW MINUTES. Don't ever compare that with obesity.

Your logic has flaws. The reson why they are so againts Ivermectine and other stuff that many doctors have seen working in their patients from dying in hospitals is because if that treatment works then the Emergency Authorization Act would force the vaccine companies to stop using their product that they invested billions to make. So they are doing everything they can to stop it. Because in the end its all about profit. Also people dying are unvaccinated? Well in Israel their 85% vaccination rate and 95% hospitalization rate of the vaccinated. Also in the biggening many people who so called died from covid actually died from other issues. And majority tests count not distinguish between flu or covid. Not to mention if you died in a motorcycle crash and tested positive (many false positives) they marked you as a covid death. Numbera are not what they said they are. Right now in the us 14000 people died from Covid Vaccine many many more have life long issues. Someone who worked at CDC reported that over 40,000 are actual numbers of people who died from the covid vaccine, but I take that with a grain of salt. Not to mention in 2009 Harvard did a study showing the less than 1% of vaccine injuries and deaths get reported to VEARS. So who knows the actual number. Because now if you are vaccinated and die which could be complications from the vaccine they will not put vaccine death, but when it was other way around they didnt hesitate to put covid as a death even if it was Cancer or even people who were in hospice who tested positive when they died. From listening to actual nurses who are there working with patients they say majority of todays hospitalization are vaccinated. And Israel has proven that. Also Delta Variant is a what happens when you introduce a vaccine during a pandemic, causes Variant of the virus. Thats why 1st variants came from South America and Africa the first 2 placed the trial vaccine was taken for a test drive. Not to mention that vaccinated people have an extremly hight transmission rates of the virus. A much higher load compared to unvaccinated. And why are unvaccinated so dangerous when some who get vaccinetd get sick immediately after the shot. And why are not the vaccinated needed to prove a negative test when they can spread the virus still and get it? Its all control. But sadly you dont see it.

In the end I think its best to agree to disagree because this debate will go forever.
 

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Yes, the potential side affects in the future is a small risk that the rest most of us are willing to take to save the lifes of mainly our elderly and trying to help the overloaded hospitals.

Or maybe the overloaded hospitals with people working 24 hours without rest a few month ago (before the vaccine came) also was "faulty" and a conspiracy theory according to you?
 

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But if you could give the obese a 30 second injection to save them then it should be mandatory to do so? What should happen to the ones that don't comply?

If you could and it would work... I would must tell the obese/unhealthy that didn't take the injection to do so. Just like I'm doing here. But there isn't any long term quick fix for obesity so you cant compare.
 

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In the end I think its best to agree to disagree because this debate will go forever.

Yea I think it doesn't really make sense to get into all the details with many people, as it would require admitting personal errors in thought.
I think the debate should be pivoted from covid to rights and freedom.

There should be no reason, no matter what kind of pandemic may come around, to grant governments the right to strip people of their rights of free movement, meeting or pursuing their jobs PERIOD. No matter how deadly, we're adults and can decide for ourselves what risks to expose ourselves to.
 
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If you could and it would work... I would must tell the obese/unhealthy that didn't take the injection to do so. Just like I'm doing here. But there isn't any long term quick fix for obesity so you cant compare.

Would it be a quick fix to prohibit motorbikes in order to reduce the toll of heavy road accidents involving motor bikes?

The issue I'm trying to get at is, that it should not be the government to impose regulation, but the free people to decide what risks to partake in. And I totally agree with you, noone should have to pay for other peoples sickness or unemployment. Socialism is one root cause for most our current issues.
 

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Akilles If you actually want to see further and break out of the indoctrination I would recommend to start digging into Mark Passio, Larken Rose, Antony Sutton, and Stefan Molyneux.
 

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I'm just going to leave this here.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58545548

Key stat if you don't want to click being:

Of the 51,281 deaths involving Covid registered in England between 2 January and 2 July 2021, just 256 deaths (0.5%) were people who were both fully vaccinated and who had their first positive PCR test at least 14 days after their second dose.
 
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I'm just going to leave this here.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58545548

Key stat if you don't want to click being:

Of the 51,281 deaths involving Covid registered in England between 2 January and 2 July 2021, just 256 deaths (0.5%) were people who were both fully vaccinated and who had their first positive PCR test at least 14 days after their second dose.

Lol. You quote data from 02.01.21 to 02.07.21. So in the beginning almost no one was vaccinated, then it was summer... no shit sherlock.
If you look at the data up to now, you see that in the UK, which is the country ur referencing, now it is more likely to die if being vaccinated then not being vaccinated.

Full article: https://sciencefiles.org/2021/09/04...res-sterberisiko-daten-public-health-england/
Use google translate.
 
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I'm just going to leave this here.
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58545548
Key stat if you don't want to click being:
Of the 51,281 deaths involving Covid registered in England between 2 January and 2 July 2021, just 256 deaths (0.5%) were people who were both fully vaccinated and who had their first positive PCR test at least 14 days after their second dose.
Lol. You quote data from 02.01.21 to 02.07.21. So in the beginning almost no one was vaccinated, then it was summer... no shit sherlock.
If you look at the data up to now, you see that in the UK, which is the country ur referencing, now it is more likely to die if being vaccinated then not being vaccinated.

Full article: https://sciencefiles.org/2021/09/04...res-sterberisiko-daten-public-health-england/
Use google translate.
 

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Oh dear.

You're relying on what is essentially a blog website by two total right wing nutjobs with no scientific credibility whatsoever to 'prove' your point.

Oh dear.

Interesting views from those chaps. They're basically the original Incels.

I'm so glad you're not getting a vaccine.
 

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Oh dear.

You're relying on what is essentially a blog website by two total right wing nutjobs with no scientific credibility whatsoever to 'prove' your point.

Oh dear.

Interesting views from those chaps. They're basically the original Incels.

I'm so glad you're not getting a vaccine.

If you actually had read, you would have understood that the data comes from the Technical Briefing 22 from Public Health England: https://assets.publishing.service.g...le/1014926/Technical_Briefing_22_21_09_02.pdf

So in England the vaccine is currently completely failing with what is called the "delta" variant...
 

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But that can't be right of course... The vaccines are SAFE AND EFFECTIVE! So yea, I see why you don't want to believe the data from ur government..
 
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If you actually had read, you would have understood that the data comes from the Technical Briefing 22 from Public Health England: https://assets.publishing.service.go...2_21_09_02.pdf

So in England the vaccine is currently completely failing with what is called the "delta" variant...

You must not have read my previous statistics discussion on "Simpson's paradox" . I'll past it below....




"This generalization is patently false. It's a example of Simpson's paradox which is a statistical anomaly. Put simply Israel has a vaccination rate approaching 80% of the population, So by default the number of people who are vaccinated up in hospital will inevitably go up as a percentage of the whole. What needs to be looked at and what was not as widely published is the fact that if you look at each group individually the vaccinated group is three times less likely to end up in the hospital as the unvaccinated, Also the vaccinated group is an older and sicker population that is susceptible to other diseases and comorbidities as well.

For clarity on, August 15th the number of vaccinated people in Israel who were in the hospital was 515: 301 fully vaccinated and 214 not vaccinated. The rate of hospitalization was 53 for every million people vaccinated versus 164 for every million unvaccinated. Taking the numbers a step further the under 50 age group: 11 people who are fully vaccinated were hospitalized which works out to approximately three per every million citizens versus unvaccinated were 43 people, or 39 for every million citizens.

Ultimately we can get a lone statistical fact to say pretty much anything we want, This is why it's important to look at the larger picture to give a more accurate view of the situation. Yes at it's face value, reading on August 15th that 60% of the hospitalized people in Israel were vaccinated sounds horrific, But once we dive into the data (which unfortunately was not as widespread as the sensational headlines) it shows a much different picture and a much stronger argument for getting vaccinated..."


To extrapolate to England, 66% of the population is fully vaccinated. In the article you linked we'll take the under 50 group as they would less likely to have multiple co-morbities present. 37 fully vaccinated died in the fully vaccinated group, but 99 vaccinated died. Considering the unvaccinated make up 35% of the population, you'd expect more like 30 deaths if the vaccine was not effective. Also, the same data set, unvaccinated were admitted to the hospital, in the under 50 group, unvaccianted patients were roughly 7 x more likely to be admitted to the hospital vs vaccinated patients. (information pulled from page 22 of the PDF linked) If we were in Vegas I'd take the vaccinated odds anyday. Believe what you will, but the data supporting vaccination is overwhelming and growing.
 
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Unvaccinated get tested. If you're unvaccinated and go to the hospital cause u broke ur foot, you get tested. If you're vaccinated you only get tested when you have covid symptoms. So that can be the reason why the hospitalisation rate is so different... If you go with a broken foot to the hospital but get counted as covid patient....

Now deaths speak for themselves. The vaccine is supposed to prevent people from dying with covid, it does not anywhere to the extent it was expected... Also with death same shit, someone being on the deathbed for anything but covid will be tested regular for covid, and if once tested positive will be a covid death.. that does not apply to the vaccinated.
 
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Unvaccinated get tested. If you're unvaccinated and go to the hospital cause u broke ur foot, you get tested. If you're vaccinated you only get tested when you have covid symptoms. So that can be the reason why the hospitalisation rate is so different... If you go with a broken foot to the hospital but get counted as covid patient....

Now deaths speak for themselves. The vaccine is supposed to prevent people from dying with covid, it does not anywhere to the extent it was expected... Also with death same shit, someone being on the deathbed for anything but covid will be tested regular for covid, and if once tested positive will be a covid death.. that does not apply to the vaccinated.

Hey man logic wont work. When you bash vaccines they take it personal its like their new religion where a vaccine cannot do wrong. We have to trust only the government which is forcing us on lockdown and took all their rights away or CDC or WHO who are owned and payd by the Pharmaceutical companies to approve their product. Lets not forget Fauci has been caught lying under oath about the fun research they had in China. You cannot show any data which shows the vaccines as major failure and a simple cheap award winning pill is actually working in India and all across the world. Sadly the one that works is being shut down by the people who know it works because they dont want their pupet masters to loose money. I say let it go. Save your self for better arguments. They only will agree once they cannot lie anymore like the Germans did with the lovely Nazis.