ZF Master Ultrathin Moon

[Phantomtech]

Comment from a user on r/reptime :


Sorry guys. I'll take the heat for pointing out some tells. JLC reps are easy to spot, and this one has several. See the last two pics in the imgur, and focus on the moon subdial, hands, printing, and markers. OK, here we go:

* Blue seconds hand has stains, which is impossible on this model unless it took a dunk in the ocean. It seems it's a poor paint, which means poor paint jobs will continue to flake and oxidize.
* Printing on "AUTOMATIQUE" should be flat, straight, and sit above the guilloche.
* Printing of days of the month (1, 2, 3... 30, 31) are (sorry fam!) bad. Several numbers bleed over the edge like Dali's Persistence of Memory. Spacing between the dates and dots is inconsistent - sometimes a bit left (see right of the 13), other times centered (between 23 and 12), but they mostly skew left.
* Man. This one cannot be unseen. Check out the minute markers, especially the 7 marker. It's dirty either from oxidizing or just dirt. It, along with several others, are 'lifting' from the dial - they should be flat and have an absolute mirror finish.
* "SWISS" is incorrect font and the ink bled a bit making the letters blobby. "D" in MADE is too fat.
* Took a quick look at the movement. The balance cock (the arm that holds the balance wheel) is just wrong. See gen, about half way down: [http://www.jaeger-lecoultre.com/us/...es/master/master-ultra-thin-moon/1368420.html). You'll see the balance cock has a cut out for a blued screw, and two small pin holes, which hold down the arm to a plate. This is not present. Owners will spot this immediately imo.

**Anyway... I think we need to let the factories know these things. They actually listen to their buyers, and can make adjustments. It's a fun hobby. But, the finishing on this one needs work.**

Yeh yeh, whatever

 

[RobSe1]

Comment from a user on r/reptime :


Sorry guys. I'll take the heat for pointing out some tells. JLC reps are easy to spot, and this one has several. See the last two pics in the imgur, and focus on the moon subdial, hands, printing, and markers. OK, here we go:

* Blue seconds hand has stains, which is impossible on this model unless it took a dunk in the ocean. It seems it's a poor paint, which means poor paint jobs will continue to flake and oxidize.
* Printing on "AUTOMATIQUE" should be flat, straight, and sit above the guilloche.
* Printing of days of the month (1, 2, 3... 30, 31) are (sorry fam!) bad. Several numbers bleed over the edge like Dali's Persistence of Memory. Spacing between the dates and dots is inconsistent - sometimes a bit left (see right of the 13), other times centered (between 23 and 12), but they mostly skew left.
* Man. This one cannot be unseen. Check out the minute markers, especially the 7 marker. It's dirty either from oxidizing or just dirt. It, along with several others, are 'lifting' from the dial - they should be flat and have an absolute mirror finish.
* "SWISS" is incorrect font and the ink bled a bit making the letters blobby. "D" in MADE is too fat.
* Took a quick look at the movement. The balance cock (the arm that holds the balance wheel) is just wrong. See gen, about half way down: [http://www.jaeger-lecoultre.com/us/...es/master/master-ultra-thin-moon/1368420.html). You'll see the balance cock has a cut out for a blued screw, and two small pin holes, which hold down the arm to a plate. This is not present. Owners will spot this immediately imo.

**Anyway... I think we need to let the factories know these things. They actually listen to their buyers, and can make adjustments. It's a fun hobby. But, the finishing on this one needs work.**

Can you also hear the gras growing?

 

[RobSe1]

where is the black beauty? My cart at toro is growing haha also ordered a 116660 and a iwc clasp, if this takes much longer i order his Shop empty lol^^ :laughing:

 

[VIV54]

where is the black beauty? My cart at toro is growing haha also ordered a 116660 and a iwc clasp, if this takes much longer i order his Shop empty lol^^ :laughing:

ARF or NOOB?

 

[RobSe1]

ARF or NOOB?

ARF black Dial with SH3135 Mov.

 

[VIV54]

ARF black Dial with SH3135 Mov.

In case you don't like it, I'll take it

 

[Repworld]

This watch will discontinued they said in Chinese forums


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[joyjoyk]

Just wondering what the strap lengths are for this watch in the normal strap size? I know widths are 21/18mm.. any help would be much appreciated!

 

[joyjoyk]

This watch will discontinued they said in Chinese forums


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Interesting given that it seems that it's selling like hotcakes

 

[Limztf]

This watch will discontinued they said in Chinese forums


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That would be very sad.. hope the people who are waiting for their QCs get their watches before they finally stop producing.. myself included!


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[Repworld]

That would be very sad.. hope the people who are waiting for their QCs get their watches before they finally stop producing.. myself included!


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[VIV54]

I understand it, but it's a bit strange, what's the point of selling like maybe 10-20 watches and then discontinue?

 

[mrwobble]

Comment from a user on r/reptime :


Sorry guys. I'll take the heat for pointing out some tells. JLC reps are easy to spot, and this one has several. See the last two pics in the imgur, and focus on the moon subdial, hands, printing, and markers. OK, here we go:

* Blue seconds hand has stains, which is impossible on this model unless it took a dunk in the ocean. It seems it's a poor paint, which means poor paint jobs will continue to flake and oxidize.
* Printing on "AUTOMATIQUE" should be flat, straight, and sit above the guilloche.
* Printing of days of the month (1, 2, 3... 30, 31) are (sorry fam!) bad. Several numbers bleed over the edge like Dali's Persistence of Memory. Spacing between the dates and dots is inconsistent - sometimes a bit left (see right of the 13), other times centered (between 23 and 12), but they mostly skew left.
* Man. This one cannot be unseen. Check out the minute markers, especially the 7 marker. It's dirty either from oxidizing or just dirt. It, along with several others, are 'lifting' from the dial - they should be flat and have an absolute mirror finish.
* "SWISS" is incorrect font and the ink bled a bit making the letters blobby. "D" in MADE is too fat.
* Took a quick look at the movement. The balance cock (the arm that holds the balance wheel) is just wrong. See gen, about half way down: [http://www.jaeger-lecoultre.com/us/e...n/1368420.html). You'll see the balance cock has a cut out for a blued screw, and two small pin holes, which hold down the arm to a plate. This is not present. Owners will spot this immediately imo.

**Anyway... I think we need to let the factories know these things. They actually listen to their buyers, and can make adjustments. It's a fun hobby. But, the finishing on this one needs work.**

can someone tell me what is wrong with what he said? from what i see, some of the stuff he said is true. if a rep has flaws, then so be it. i don't see why we need to turn a blind eye to them... or am i missing something?

maybe they discontinuing if it takes too much time/effort to make.

 

[SuperLory]

They. Cannot. Discontinue this.

c a n n o t

 

[kebu]

How reliable is this news? Maybe its a scare tactic to make people buy by saying they will be discontinuing lol

 

[Phantomtech]

can someone tell me what is wrong with what he said? from what i see, some of the stuff he said is true. if a rep has flaws, then so be it. i don't see why we need to turn a blind eye to them... or am i missing something?

maybe they discontinuing if it takes too much time/effort to make.

I don’t think mentioning the flaws was the problem, I think it’s great that we point out to the factory all the things they need to fix.

But the way he was going on and on about the “instant tells” and how he can spot these tells from miles away is plain baloney.

These are mainly flaws only noticeable under a loupe...

 

[Mr.Paneristi]

can someone tell me what is wrong with what he said? from what i see, some of the stuff he said is true. if a rep has flaws, then so be it. i don't see why we need to turn a blind eye to them... or am i missing something?

maybe they discontinuing if it takes too much time/effort to make.

I'm confused myself with the harsh backlash. If a statement made is inaccurate, It would be interesting to hear a constructive counterargument.

 

[timnic54]

I don’t think mentioning the flaws was the problem, I think it’s great that we point out to the factory all the things they need to fix.

But the way he was going on and on about the “instant tells” and how he can spot these tells from miles away is plain baloney.

These are mainly flaws only noticeable under a loupe...

I agree.

Opinions on such things should be delivered in a measured and objective way. They should also be sensitive to the fact that they are derived from a photo of one example (very likely) speaking of one model (There are three) and without in hand comparison with a gen. Gen official photographs are notoriously heavily processed and not reliable.
When such comments are delivered references as to how they are derived should be supplied, preferably with some photographic evidence supplied by the writer.

The style of those comments are reminiscent of a 15 year old gamer on speed.

 

[RobSe1]

In case you don't like it, I'll take it

Ok

 

[Gooch15]

I agree.

Opinions on such things should be delivered in a measured and objective way. They should also be sensitive to the fact that they are derived from a photo of one example (very likely) speaking of one model (There are three) and without in hand comparison with a gen. Gen official photographs are notoriously heavily processed and not reliable.
When such comments are delivered references as to how they are derived should be supplied, preferably with some photographic evidence supplied by the writer.

The style of those comments are reminiscent of a 15 year old gamer on speed.

I was the posted initially. It was copied from r/reptime, as I noted, from this post. As is mentioned in the thread some of the issues are mostly down to this one particular watch.

I don't completely agree with all the points either but I think having a discussion rather than circle jerking is more productive.