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What Rubberclad to get? JF vs Noob?

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Hi.

I'm an AP rookie, but I just fell in love with the gold rubberclad, I just want something a bit more flashier than my franken rolex's.

But I don't know what I should go for. I really like JF's but haven't seen their rubberclad been updated since 2017, which scares me a bit.
I want the best of the best.

I want to have it modded, sunken screws, another dwo, AR-cyclop, 2xAR crystal.

What should I go for? Links would be helpful.

Picture of the watch, since theres different rubberclads.

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Hi.

I want the best of the best.

The best of the best will be the gen. Neither JF nor Noob will come even close.

But that aside, a modded Noob (or JF for that matter) will fulfill your requirement. Just make sure you get the datewheel right for a G/H series.




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get the JF version. the rubber bezel has similar construction to gen with metal core.

i had both jf and noob rubberclads, found noob bezel screws look twisted in the holes.

some inspiration should you find a gen dial
​​​​​​https://forum.replica-watch.info/fo...grc-franken-build-including-self-gold-plating

I have a M2M Noob RGRC. The dial clarity leaves me wanting. I keep going back to this modded one--I think it looks really good already: https://forum.replica-watch.info/fo...xtal-modded-serviced-with-gen-ap-rubber-strap

I dunno, my dial just seems really dark, even if I get a 2xAR I don't think it will improve much. If anyone has a modded one that looks as good (or better) than the above :wave:

Also, did I read the build from flying-tommy correctly? I see the Mikey DW everywhere but this is the first time I've seen a Legend DW. I'm still a fresh newbie so just wanted to see if this was a one-off or otherwise.

Good luck to OP!
 

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I have a M2M Noob RGRC. The dial clarity leaves me wanting. I keep going back to this modded one--I think it looks really good already: https://forum.replica-watch.info/fo...xtal-modded-serviced-with-gen-ap-rubber-strap

I dunno, my dial just seems really dark, even if I get a 2xAR I don't think it will improve much. If anyone has a modded one that looks as good (or better) than the above :wave:

Also, did I read the build from flying-tommy correctly? I see the Mikey DW everywhere but this is the first time I've seen a Legend DW. I'm still a fresh newbie so just wanted to see if this was a one-off or otherwise.

Good luck to OP!

The H series RGRC dial is darker than the G series one, which is more grey in tone.
They look visibly different with the H series also having a rose gold metal "AP" logo, and a black datewheel.
 
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The H series RGRC dial is darker than the G series one, which is more grey in tone.
They look visibly different with the H series also having a rose gold metal "AP" logo, and a black datewheel.

Thanks so much!!

If I may trouble you further :praying:

I have the Rose Gold AP Logo and Black DW so I should have the H series.
So I just took two shots, and man, it took forever to get an angle without the crystal blasting back at me--are the older Noob crystals known for being so reflective? After taking these pictures, do you think the Modded Noob just had a better photographer?

Maybe a 2xAR would still help. I don't know about gen or otherwise, but the matte 3D effect on the modded reference photo just looks so much more visually appealing than mine which is super glossy and reflective haha.


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I am going to answer your questions.

1. Yes the older Noob AP crystals are quite reflective.

2. Double AR crystals are plain WRONG on any ROO. Look at any gen ROO in sunlight or fluorescent lighting and you are bound to encounter reflections. It is part of the characteristic of the single AR AP crystal. Please don't install a double AR crystal on your ROO ever. It makes it look plain weird and totally wrong. Ironically, it becomes a blatant tell on its own.

3. I will recommend you simply install a JF crystal. They are accurate enough, and nobody is able to call you out on the crystal in the wild simply because it is 3% more reflective than the gen.
 
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I am going to answer your questions.

1. Yes the older Noob AP crystals are quite reflective.

2. Double AR crystals are plain WRONG on any ROO. Look at any gen ROO in sunlight or fluorescent lighting and you are bound to encounter reflections. It is part of the characteristic of the single AR AP crystal. Please don't install a double AR crystal on your ROO ever. It makes it look plain weird and totally wrong. Ironically, it becomes a blatant tell on its own.

3. I will recommend you simply install a JF crystal. They are accurate enough, and nobody is able to call you out on the crystal in the wild simply because it is 3% more reflective than the gen.



yes, ah, ok, uh huh :graman:

sincerely appreciate all of this great info, especially that tip about the JF crystal! :drinks_cheers:
what an easy alternative and I would never have thought of it haha. Every where I look "Prof 2xAR" is just the automatic answer. Will definitely heed your advice!
 
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yes, ah, ok, uh huh :graman:

sincerely appreciate all of this great info, especially that tip about the JF crystal! :drinks_cheers:
what an easy alternative and I would never have thought of it haha. Every where I look "Prof 2xAR" is just the automatic answer. Will definitely heed your advice!

on the crystal you can get other opinions from the top gurus like QueTip. For guys who never owned the gen ROO, many of them are about getting rid of the crystal reflection and "making the dial pop". But AP crystals are never about accentuating the dial details. It can be a totally impossible to see the dial in certain angles and under certain lighting. Single AR is the way to go for ROO crystals, for practicality and visual accuracy. I am not saying that the JF crystal is 1:1 to the gen one, it isn't. But it is close enough to be perceived as one and the same in the wild. If you look through the threads asking if a certain AP is gen or fake, you almost never get comments on the crystal, even if said crystal is a low grade one.
 
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on the crystal you can get other opinions from the top gurus like QueTip. For guys who never owned the gen ROO, many of them are about getting rid of the crystal reflection and "making the dial pop". But AP crystals are never about accentuating the dial details. It can be a totally impossible to see the dial in certain angles and under certain lighting. Single AR is the way to go for ROO crystals, for practicality and visual accuracy. I am not saying that the JF crystal is 1:1 to the gen one, it isn't. But it is close enough to be perceived as one and the same in the wild. If you look through the threads asking if a certain AP is gen or fake, you almost never get comments on the crystal, even if said crystal is a low grade one.


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That's so hilarious because I was just about to go down that path lmaooo. I really liked that "dial pop" hahaha and in contrast my Noob Crystal was just so foggy and reflective. But the Noob APs I got from the Fire Sale had crystals that were just fine (for me) though.

I guess I should really step into an AD sooner or later and check out some watches in person

Thank you very much again Legend.

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To the OP: since you wanted 2xAR, I think this is valuable to you as well. I'm sorry I could not add value myself. Instead, I present to you:

The Dial Pop Song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bw9CALKOvAI
 
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littowun my first AP was a Noob RGRC. Then some years down the line i bought a fully modded JF version (that includes the "custom tachy" as shown in your above modded photos) and I only wore it once. I still have it somewhere in a watch box, along with a second Noob RGRC. Most of my APs are JF, but some specific models from Noob look much more "clean" and "gen like" than JF's.
 
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on the crystal you can get other opinions from the top gurus like QueTip. For guys who never owned the gen ROO, many of them are about getting rid of the crystal reflection and "making the dial pop". But AP crystals are never about accentuating the dial details. It can be a totally impossible to see the dial in certain angles and under certain lighting. Single AR is the way to go for ROO crystals, for practicality and visual accuracy. I am not saying that the JF crystal is 1:1 to the gen one, it isn't. But it is close enough to be perceived as one and the same in the wild. If you look through the threads asking if a certain AP is gen or fake, you almost never get comments on the crystal, even if said crystal is a low grade one.

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too many get sucked into the 2xAR trap. prof also does a 1xAR but ask yourself why bother when the JF crystal is close to gen already
see too many wristies JF divers with 2xAR crystal and 2xAR cyclops and they look so fake with invisible glass. go view a gen diver and you conclude AP did cheaped-out on the reflective bulbous cyclops

false economically to buy the noob over jf. noob has inferior crystal, cheese quality metal screws and 1 generic series number
 

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littowun my first AP was a Noob RGRC. Then some years down the line i bought a fully modded JF version (that includes the "custom tachy" as shown in your above modded photos) and I only wore it once. I still have it somewhere in a watch box, along with a second Noob RGRC. Most of my APs are JF, but some specific models from Noob look much more "clean" and "gen like" than JF's.


Thank you very much flofas for the comparison and insight!
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too many get sucked into the 2xAR trap. prof also does a 1xAR but ask yourself why bother when the JF crystal is close to gen already
see too many wristies JF divers with 2xAR crystal and 2xAR cyclops and they look so fake with invisible glass. go view a gen diver and you conclude AP did cheaped-out on the reflective bulbous cyclops

false economically to buy the noob over jf. noob has inferior crystal, cheese quality metal screws and 1 generic series number

Thanks Garuda! If my TD can get me the JF 42mm crystal I'll be sure to caution the watchmaker to please be careful with the screws. Coincidentally, I was PMing a member to see if I could snag that member's Rubens Barrichello (my TD says it's no longer in production so I've been cold-PMing the most recent purchasers from M2M threads) and the member told me the screws were all chewed up and I was wondering to myself how a watchmaker allows that to happen. Turns out the member was referring to a Noob RG Montoya and there was a miscommunication--now it makes sense!

and...you're not a fan of the "8520" club?? :megalol:
 
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Thank you very much flofas for the comparison and insight!
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Thanks Garuda! If my TD can get me the JF 42mm crystal I'll be sure to caution the watchmaker to please be careful with the screws. Coincidentally, I was PMing a member to see if I could snag that member's Rubens Barrichello (my TD says it's no longer in production so I've been cold-PMing the most recent purchasers from M2M threads) and the member told me the screws were all chewed up and I was wondering to myself how a watchmaker allows that to happen. Turns out the member was referring to a Noob RG Montoya and there was a miscommunication--now it makes sense!

and...you're not a fan of the "8520" club?? :megalol:

I think that you should reconsider posting screenshots of PMs, even if the member name is censored. Afterall it is called a PM for good reason.
In this case it is sufficient that you describe the PM, the screenshot wasn't necessary. I am stating this because you mentioned that you have been cold PM-ing members. I hope that does not mean that we will need to peruse several screenshots of your PMs with them down this thread and others. It will become inappropriate at some point. You will need to respect the privacy of members who engage in PMs with you. The other party's response to you would have been given with the expectation that it was a private response to you. This is a little like taking a pic of someone candidly, and posting it without his knowledge or permission and with the face censored. Still not nice if you see what I mean. This is just my personal view.


On watchmakers: They are as human as the rest of us, but with possession of a set of specific skills. Same way doctors and engineers and other specialists can make mistakes too. It is far more valuable to possess accountability and responsibility rather than infallibility.
 

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I think that you should reconsider posting screenshots of PMs, even if the member name is censored. Afterall it is called a PM for good reason.
In this case it is sufficient that you describe the PM, the screenshot wasn't necessary. I am stating this because you mentioned that you have been cold PM-ing members. I hope that does not mean that we will need to peruse several screenshots of your PMs with them down this thread and others. It will become inappropriate at some point. You will need to respect the privacy of members who engage in PMs with you. The other party's response to you would have been given with the expectation that it was a private response to you. This is a little like taking a pic of someone candidly, and posting it without his knowledge or permission and with the face censored. Still not nice if you see what I mean. This is just my personal view.


On watchmakers: They are as human as the rest of us, but with possession of a set of specific skills. Same way doctors and engineers and other specialists can make mistakes too. It is far more valuable to possess accountability and responsibility rather than infallibility.

Perfectly reasonable! A recent experience on this forum occurred whereby a senior member kept calling me out to provide more information, my simple statements were never enough, so now I have a bit of a chip on my shoulder to make sure I provide proof of all of my statements.

As my enthusiasm wanes, as my knowledge grows, so will my active participation, and I'm sure I'll be back to lurking in no time, so I really appreciate your tolerance in the interim!! :thumbsup:
 

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Perfectly reasonable! A recent experience on this forum occurred whereby a senior member kept calling me out to provide more information, my simple statements were never enough, so now I have a bit of a chip on my shoulder to make sure I provide proof of all of my statements.

As my enthusiasm wanes, as my knowledge grows, so will my active participation, and I'm sure I'll be back to lurking in no time, so I really appreciate your tolerance in the interim!! :thumbsup:

Personally, I like your posts, and I believe what you say. Only time separates you from that "senior member" in terms of time spent here. But everyone here contributes via his own knowledge, experience, and skills and I do not think you need to prove yourself to anybody. This isn't a court of law, where you need to back up everything you say with hard evidence.
I enjoy your contributions and responses personally and think that you make a better contributor than a lurker.
What matters most is that you enjoy participating and interacting with members here, and learning and growing. I think you are doing great.
 

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too many get sucked into the 2xAR trap. prof also does a 1xAR but ask yourself why bother when the JF crystal is close to gen already
see too many wristies JF divers with 2xAR crystal and 2xAR cyclops and they look so fake with invisible glass. go view a gen diver and you conclude AP did cheaped-out on the reflective bulbous cyclops

false economically to buy the noob over jf. noob has inferior crystal, cheese quality metal screws and 1 generic series number

Agree totally on all points.
And yes the gen AP diver cyclop is indeed double AR but not the “flat invisible” variant.
SuperLory knows his AP cyclops better than most here and I started doing research on the diver cyclops after his initial comments and found that he was correct on all counts.


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Guys I have a question: does a Gen Crystal for the rubberclad fits on a JF bezel?
I tried this new NOS gen crystal on a extra bezel I have but seems to be too thick to fit between bezel and rehaut... I think the gen bezel proportion is a bit more high too...anyone already tried it before?

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I dont think it will fit. A gen Roo crystal is 2.0-2.5mm thick and a rep JF is 1.5mm so i think you need a gen bezel and maybe shave the top a bit on tachy. But Im not an expert. Maybe someone else can tell


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